{"id":9189,"date":"2015-09-02T07:42:29","date_gmt":"2015-09-02T05:42:29","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/dev.bcsss.org\/2015\/general-system-theory-and-cybernetics-convergences-and-divergences\/"},"modified":"2015-09-02T07:42:29","modified_gmt":"2015-09-02T05:42:29","slug":"general-system-theory-and-cybernetics-convergences-and-divergences","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.bcsss.org\/de\/2015\/general-system-theory-and-cybernetics-convergences-and-divergences\/","title":{"rendered":"General System Theory and cybernetics \u2013 convergences and divergences"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>The third and last part of an article series on the status of Ludwig von Bertalanffy&#8217;s General System Theory (GST) in the history of systems sciences, written by\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.bcsss.org\/de\/fellows\/\">Manfred Drack<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bcsss.org\/de\/fellows\/\">David Pouvreau<\/a>, both Fellows of the Bertalanffy Center, was published recently. All three articles appeared in the\u00a0International Journal of General Systems, founded by George J. Klir.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.bcsss.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/09\/ggen20.v044.i06.cover_.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" alt=\"ggen20.v044.i06.cover\" src=\"https:\/\/www.bcsss.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/09\/ggen20.v044.i06.cover_.jpg\" width=\"110\" height=\"155\" \/><br \/>\n<\/a>The last article focuses on convergences and divergences of GST and cybernetics.<\/p>\n<p>There has been a long debate on the relationship between systems thinking and cybernetic thinking. While several authors like Ranulph Glanville \u2013 he was the past President of the American Society for Cybernetics and passed away at the end of last year \u2013 insist that both threads are different and that even cybernetics was first in history, Drack and Pouvreau show that there are a number of commonalities though. They cite W. Ross Ashby as one thinker whose position is kind of intermediary one. Bertalanffy himself considered cybernetics as one valuable part of a &#8222;general systemology&#8220; as Drack and Pouvreau formulate. However, Bertalanffy warned against reductionist, mechanicist, and positivist assumptions that associate with cybernetics \u2013 an issue that is still on the table (see e.g. the topics of robots or big data at the current European Forum Alpbach).<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.tandfonline.com\/doi\/pdf\/10.1080\/03081079.2014.1000642\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Read the whole article here<\/a>\u00a0(Manfred Drack &amp; David Pouvreau (2015) On the history of Ludwig\u00a0von Bertalanffy\u2019s \u201cGeneral Systemology\u201d, and on its relationship to cybernetics \u2013 part III: convergences and divergences, International Journal of General Systems, 44:5, 523-571).<\/p>\n<p>This article was produced in the framework of the project <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bcsss.org\/research\/projects\/past-projects\/systems-in-biology\/\">Systems in Biology<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>The other articles:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Pouvreau, D., and M. Drack. 2007. \u201cOn the History of Ludwig von Bertalanffy\u2019s \u2018General Systemology\u2019, and on its relationship to cybernetics \u2013 part I: elements on the origins and genesis of Ludwig von Bertalanffy\u2019s \u2018General Systemology\u2019.\u201d International Journal of General Systems 36: 281\u2013337.<\/li>\n<li>Pouvreau, D. 2014. \u201cOn the History of Ludwig von Bertalanffy\u2019s \u2018General Systemology\u2019, and on its relationship to cybernetics \u2013 part II: contexts and developments of the systemological hermeneutics instigated by von Bertalanffy.\u201d International Journal of General Systems 43: 172\u2013245.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The third and last part of an article series on the status of Ludwig von Bertalanffy&#8217;s General System Theory (GST) in the history of systems sciences, written by\u00a0Manfred Drack and David Pouvreau, both Fellows of the Bertalanffy Center, was published recently. All three articles appeared in the\u00a0International Journal of General&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":7,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":[],"categories":[],"tags":[4742,4755],"amp_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.bcsss.org\/de\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/9189"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.bcsss.org\/de\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.bcsss.org\/de\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.bcsss.org\/de\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/7"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.bcsss.org\/de\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=9189"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.bcsss.org\/de\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/9189\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.bcsss.org\/de\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=9189"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.bcsss.org\/de\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=9189"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.bcsss.org\/de\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=9189"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}